1 00:00:00,290 --> 00:00:07,930 [Applause] 2 00:00:13,759 --> 00:00:11,870 hey everyone welcome back to another 3 00:00:16,129 --> 00:00:13,769 podcast adventure 4 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:16,139 my name is midnight Mike and I'm joined 5 00:00:23,509 --> 00:00:19,710 by Joe he's over there shirtless know it 6 00:00:27,050 --> 00:00:23,519 put one on oh you did okay and we also 7 00:00:29,450 --> 00:00:27,060 have frecchi Don the the big screen he's 8 00:00:32,659 --> 00:00:29,460 over there and we have a guest with us 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:32,669 today he is there and Schaffer there's a 10 00:00:39,650 --> 00:00:37,770 podcast all about DB cooper and you can 11 00:00:41,660 --> 00:00:39,660 reach him or just search them my iTunes 12 00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:41,670 it's called the the Cooper vortex 13 00:00:47,569 --> 00:00:44,670 podcast he'll be speaking at a 14 00:00:49,430 --> 00:00:47,579 convention coming up called DB cooper 15 00:00:54,170 --> 00:00:49,440 con and check it out there's a link in 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:54,180 description TV super con calm and I'm 17 00:00:59,510 --> 00:00:55,890 surprised that there's an entire 18 00:01:02,299 --> 00:00:59,520 convention an entire symposium devoted 19 00:01:04,189 --> 00:01:02,309 to the mysterious case of DB Cooper so 20 00:01:05,899 --> 00:01:04,199 Darren thank you very much for taking 21 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:05,909 time out of your busy day to come and 22 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:07,860 chitchat with us thanks for having me on 23 00:01:11,539 --> 00:01:09,330 guys I appreciate it 24 00:01:14,330 --> 00:01:11,549 oh man no problem we don't often have 25 00:01:15,890 --> 00:01:14,340 Saturday guests because well not a lot 26 00:01:17,510 --> 00:01:15,900 of people want to get up this earlier to 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:17,520 to talk [\h__\h] with us so we really 28 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:20,250 appreciate it I'm willing to get up at 29 00:01:26,749 --> 00:01:22,290 9:30 to talk [\h__\h] with you guys all 30 00:01:30,850 --> 00:01:26,759 right let's start at the beginning 31 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:30,860 who is DB Cooper yeah who is DB cooper 32 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:33,810 DB Cooper 33 00:01:39,770 --> 00:01:37,170 is a name that was given to him by 34 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:39,780 accident through a meeting mistake on 35 00:01:48,319 --> 00:01:45,570 November 24th 1971 a guy bought a plane 36 00:01:52,700 --> 00:01:48,329 ticket from a flight from Portland to 37 00:01:55,940 --> 00:01:52,710 Seattle one way flight paid $20 for it 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:01:55,950 he gave his name is Dan Cooper boarded 39 00:02:01,999 --> 00:01:59,130 the plane shortly after takeoff he gives 40 00:02:04,279 --> 00:02:02,009 a note to a stewardess she assumes it's 41 00:02:06,859 --> 00:02:04,289 just another businessman hitting on her 42 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:06,869 so she puts her note puts the note in 43 00:02:10,999 --> 00:02:08,610 her pocket and doesn't even look at it 44 00:02:12,259 --> 00:02:11,009 and then she comes by again he grabs her 45 00:02:15,140 --> 00:02:12,269 he's like ma'am you might want to look 46 00:02:17,690 --> 00:02:15,150 at that note I have a bomb so she takes 47 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:17,700 the note out reads it basically he's 48 00:02:25,940 --> 00:02:21,209 hijacking the plane he wants $200,000 49 00:02:27,860 --> 00:02:25,950 for parachutes by the time he lands in 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:27,870 Seattle if he gets all that who left the 51 00:02:32,170 --> 00:02:29,610 passengers off the plane and then 52 00:02:35,479 --> 00:02:32,180 they're gonna take off for Mexico City 53 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:35,489 they landed in Seattle he gets his 54 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:38,609 demands and then he has really specific 55 00:02:45,099 --> 00:02:42,090 flight instructions for the pilot so 56 00:02:47,780 --> 00:02:45,109 specifically the pilot didn't know that 57 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:47,790 the plane was able to fly that way 58 00:02:55,220 --> 00:02:51,450 although DB Cooper did that specific 59 00:02:57,170 --> 00:02:55,230 plane he hijacked had rear air stairs so 60 00:03:00,699 --> 00:02:57,180 the these stairs would lower on the back 61 00:03:05,090 --> 00:03:00,709 of the plane and then you could board or 62 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:05,100 D plane that way so the plane could fly 63 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:07,450 into smaller airports 64 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:10,090 anyway so he wants the plane to take off 65 00:03:15,180 --> 00:03:13,930 with those rear air stairs down and the 66 00:03:16,830 --> 00:03:15,190 pilot didn't even know that was possible 67 00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:16,840 so they had to call an air traffic 68 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:19,000 control air traffic control didn't know 69 00:03:23,699 --> 00:03:21,730 either so they did contact Boeing to see 70 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:23,709 if that was possible and Boeing said 71 00:03:30,930 --> 00:03:26,530 yeah that's that is possible 72 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:30,940 so they take off they agreed they 73 00:03:35,370 --> 00:03:32,710 couldn't fly to Mexico City so they 74 00:03:38,490 --> 00:03:35,380 changed it did stop in Reno to refuel on 75 00:03:41,670 --> 00:03:38,500 the way there and in between Seattle and 76 00:03:43,770 --> 00:03:41,680 Reno he jumps out of the plane with the 77 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:43,780 money and his bomb never to be seen or 78 00:03:49,370 --> 00:03:46,170 heard from again 79 00:03:52,730 --> 00:03:49,380 like as I grew up you know watching 80 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:52,740 unsolved mysteries and various shows 81 00:03:57,050 --> 00:03:55,170 like that this story would come up over 82 00:04:00,560 --> 00:03:57,060 and over again who is DB cooper was he 83 00:04:01,940 --> 00:04:00,570 ex-military was was he just a bank 84 00:04:04,370 --> 00:04:01,950 robber that got lucky jumping out of 85 00:04:07,010 --> 00:04:04,380 airplanes like that because what was 86 00:04:10,130 --> 00:04:07,020 what was rumored is that one 87 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:10,140 it was very be a very difficult jump to 88 00:04:15,260 --> 00:04:12,090 do out of that plane is there any 89 00:04:17,810 --> 00:04:15,270 validity to that claim oh it's a very 90 00:04:24,140 --> 00:04:17,820 difficult jump he's jumping from 10,000 91 00:04:27,050 --> 00:04:24,150 feet at night with cloud cover and cold 92 00:04:29,090 --> 00:04:27,060 and wet and he would be jumping into a 93 00:04:33,810 --> 00:04:29,100 pretty harsh environment the area they 94 00:04:35,910 --> 00:04:33,820 believed he jumped to is heavily wooded 95 00:04:38,430 --> 00:04:35,920 why do you why do you think that this 96 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:38,440 this story is this myth the mist the 97 00:04:43,610 --> 00:04:40,690 mystery of TV Cooper has persisted over 98 00:04:46,310 --> 00:04:43,620 all these years 99 00:04:49,610 --> 00:04:46,320 I think it has persisted for all these 100 00:04:52,010 --> 00:04:49,620 years because people started to root for 101 00:04:56,629 --> 00:04:52,020 him essentially right away that he stuck 102 00:05:00,080 --> 00:04:56,639 it to the man and no one was hurt doing 103 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:00,090 this did hijack a plane which is bad but 104 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:04,650 um no one was physically harmed the only 105 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:06,450 person who may have been injured or 106 00:05:16,260 --> 00:05:12,930 so I listened to a segments of your 107 00:05:20,100 --> 00:05:16,270 podcast the the Cooper vortex and you do 108 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:20,110 a pretty good job of dissecting who 109 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:23,310 potentially DB Cooper could have been 110 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:26,050 some of the the motives behind it and 111 00:05:30,870 --> 00:05:28,650 your latest episode DB Cooper was a 112 00:05:32,340 --> 00:05:30,880 railroader you didn't you had an 113 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:32,350 interview with a guy who didn't want to 114 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:34,930 go on record with his with his name or 115 00:05:39,300 --> 00:05:37,150 or who he was 116 00:05:41,670 --> 00:05:39,310 can you talk about your your latest 117 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:41,680 episode a little bit you have my latest 118 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:43,450 episode DB Cooper was a railroader 119 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:47,520 so that guy I've become friends with him 120 00:05:54,810 --> 00:05:51,970 over the last few months he has a pretty 121 00:05:58,290 --> 00:05:54,820 high up position in the army as an 122 00:06:01,020 --> 00:05:58,300 analyst and isn't really interested in 123 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:01,030 his name being associated with this he 124 00:06:04,890 --> 00:06:02,770 just kind of sees it as a hobby and 125 00:06:09,990 --> 00:06:04,900 there are a bunch of crazies in this 126 00:06:13,460 --> 00:06:10,000 community so I understand that but he he 127 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:13,470 sort of was interested in the case and a 128 00:06:19,170 --> 00:06:16,150 really smart guy really great researcher 129 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:19,180 and just thought okay well there's a 130 00:06:23,430 --> 00:06:20,890 couple of avenues that people haven't 131 00:06:25,500 --> 00:06:23,440 explored here and he started to look 132 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:25,510 into him for himself and ended up with a 133 00:06:29,710 --> 00:06:28,090 suspect with a guy he believes was DB 134 00:06:32,590 --> 00:06:29,720 Cooper 135 00:06:35,050 --> 00:06:32,600 a Pennsylvania Railroad er by the name 136 00:06:38,290 --> 00:06:35,060 of William J Smith 137 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:38,300 oh really and so what was this guy's 138 00:06:43,420 --> 00:06:40,910 background was he like a paratrooper was 139 00:06:46,150 --> 00:06:43,430 he just a hobbyist when it comes to 140 00:06:49,470 --> 00:06:46,160 parachuting and jumping out of planes he 141 00:06:52,710 --> 00:06:49,480 was was a paratrooper in the military 142 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:52,720 um and then he was an aerial 143 00:06:58,350 --> 00:06:56,410 photographer which you know would give 144 00:07:00,960 --> 00:06:58,360 him some skills and being able to 145 00:07:02,310 --> 00:07:00,970 identify where he's at in the air which 146 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:02,320 if you're standing on the rear air 147 00:07:10,450 --> 00:07:07,330 stairs of a 727 10,000 feet over the 148 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:10,460 Pacific Northwest might be of some use 149 00:07:15,130 --> 00:07:13,010 so when it comes to DB Cooper in the 150 00:07:17,170 --> 00:07:15,140 requested amount of money that he asked 151 00:07:18,670 --> 00:07:17,180 for is there any rumor of why that 152 00:07:20,650 --> 00:07:18,680 specific amount 153 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:20,660 why not ask for a million dollars was it 154 00:07:23,860 --> 00:07:22,250 just like you couldn't carry that much 155 00:07:25,630 --> 00:07:23,870 weight or it was harder to deal with 156 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:25,640 that much money why do you think he 157 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:27,530 asked for that that specific amount of 158 00:07:32,350 --> 00:07:30,530 money that's a good question so if you 159 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:32,360 want to get into like the conspiracy 160 00:07:38,710 --> 00:07:36,650 theory area they do so this show is yeah 161 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:38,720 it's interesting that he asked for 162 00:07:45,670 --> 00:07:43,610 200,000 because they had the airline's 163 00:07:46,930 --> 00:07:45,680 had been hijacked and been getting into 164 00:07:49,330 --> 00:07:46,940 trouble before 165 00:07:51,250 --> 00:07:49,340 mostly for political reasons but for 166 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:51,260 whatever reason they had two hundred and 167 00:07:57,370 --> 00:07:54,890 fifty thousand dollars in cash ready to 168 00:07:58,260 --> 00:07:57,380 go in the event there was something to 169 00:08:01,690 --> 00:07:58,270 happen like this 170 00:08:05,140 --> 00:08:01,700 so the amount he asked for was within 171 00:08:07,140 --> 00:08:05,150 that with cash they had on hand ready to 172 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:07,150 go 173 00:08:12,930 --> 00:08:10,690 so he knew where did one of the other 174 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:12,940 people in the chant asked where did is 175 00:08:21,420 --> 00:08:16,210 it does it known where exactly he jumped 176 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:21,430 out at like what over what state over no 177 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:22,990 not even over was state you couldn't 178 00:08:29,180 --> 00:08:25,690 even agree on that but there is a drop 179 00:08:32,459 --> 00:08:29,190 zone that people refer to so when 180 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:32,469 they're flying DB Cooper asked the one 181 00:08:38,250 --> 00:08:34,570 stewardess left on the plane to go back 182 00:08:39,300 --> 00:08:38,260 into the cockpit and so the pilots and 183 00:08:41,339 --> 00:08:39,310 the stewardess are sitting in the 184 00:08:44,370 --> 00:08:41,349 cockpit and they'd noticed at a point in 185 00:08:47,820 --> 00:08:44,380 time there was a pressure bump in the 186 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:47,830 cabin and the plane needed some 187 00:08:52,290 --> 00:08:50,650 correction enough that he had to come in 188 00:08:55,079 --> 00:08:52,300 over the plane a little bit and they 189 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:55,089 noted this on this particular time it's 190 00:09:01,560 --> 00:08:58,330 8:11 k13 depending on which transcript 191 00:09:03,900 --> 00:09:01,570 you reading but then they went and 192 00:09:06,750 --> 00:09:03,910 theorized that was when he jumped and 193 00:09:08,519 --> 00:09:06,760 then the air stairs bounced back up so 194 00:09:10,410 --> 00:09:08,529 they actually took that plane flew it 195 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:10,420 over the ocean with a 200 pound weight 196 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:12,730 on the back and pushed it off to see if 197 00:09:18,269 --> 00:09:14,410 it would do the exact same thing the 198 00:09:21,090 --> 00:09:18,279 same oscillation and it did so they have 199 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:21,100 like this point on the flight path 200 00:09:26,670 --> 00:09:23,770 mapped out as where his supposed drop 201 00:09:29,250 --> 00:09:26,680 zone to be that's where they did the the 202 00:09:31,949 --> 00:09:29,260 National Guard did a search there and 203 00:09:35,670 --> 00:09:31,959 that's in the around the town of Arial 204 00:09:37,650 --> 00:09:35,680 Washington Amboy yacolt 205 00:09:40,019 --> 00:09:37,660 thus the theorized drop zone but 206 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:40,029 different suspects and other people 207 00:09:45,809 --> 00:09:44,050 theorize it's other places and you're 208 00:09:49,769 --> 00:09:45,819 going with that is you said like over 209 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:49,779 Washington in somewhere out there yeah 210 00:09:53,609 --> 00:09:51,610 when people talk about where he landed 211 00:09:57,269 --> 00:09:53,619 usually they're referring to that one 212 00:09:59,400 --> 00:09:57,279 drop zone around Ariel Washington but 213 00:10:03,780 --> 00:09:59,410 other people have speculated he landed 214 00:10:05,749 --> 00:10:03,790 in KL in Washington Aurora Oregon in the 215 00:10:08,329 --> 00:10:05,759 river 216 00:10:11,599 --> 00:10:08,339 so when he when he jumped out of the 217 00:10:14,419 --> 00:10:11,609 plane he lands down you have any 218 00:10:16,189 --> 00:10:14,429 speculation as to whether or not he had 219 00:10:19,429 --> 00:10:16,199 a co-conspirator did he have a partner 220 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:19,439 to pick him up and take him to a safe 221 00:10:27,949 --> 00:10:24,720 place it just depends on what person's 222 00:10:29,989 --> 00:10:27,959 theory I'm going your theory what do you 223 00:10:30,499 --> 00:10:29,999 think happened ha ha ha I really don't 224 00:10:33,940 --> 00:10:30,509 know 225 00:10:36,699 --> 00:10:33,950 I have no idea what happened to him 226 00:10:39,129 --> 00:10:36,709 that's the thing about this is once he 227 00:10:40,329 --> 00:10:39,139 jumped out of that plane no one has seen 228 00:10:44,290 --> 00:10:40,339 or heard from him again 229 00:10:47,319 --> 00:10:44,300 there is no evidence after that there 230 00:10:50,819 --> 00:10:47,329 was there was some evidence I'm sorry 231 00:10:53,620 --> 00:10:50,829 there was $5,800 found on the beach 232 00:10:57,870 --> 00:10:53,630 outside tina bar washington that's 233 00:11:02,889 --> 00:11:01,240 the eight-year-old boy found it in the 234 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:02,899 sand when he was having a picnic with 235 00:11:08,740 --> 00:11:06,170 his family and that was from that hijack 236 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:08,750 that money but that's the only thing 237 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:10,370 that's ever been found and where it was 238 00:11:15,510 --> 00:11:12,170 found doesn't make any sense and only 239 00:11:18,990 --> 00:11:15,520 adds more question to the story 240 00:11:20,490 --> 00:11:19,000 so the federal government and at this 241 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:20,500 point you know after africanist they 242 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:21,970 kind of look like a bunch of Schmucks 243 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:23,770 they couldn't catch this guy if his guy 244 00:11:28,860 --> 00:11:26,290 got away with two hundred thousand 245 00:11:31,650 --> 00:11:28,870 dollars was able to do this giant caper 246 00:11:34,710 --> 00:11:31,660 cap that captured the mind of the entire 247 00:11:37,470 --> 00:11:34,720 nation probably in the world is is that 248 00:11:39,690 --> 00:11:37,480 this at that point after is the the what 249 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:39,700 is the mindset of the FBI if you can 250 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:43,270 even know that well luckily we can know 251 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:45,130 that because the late agent wrote a book 252 00:11:50,610 --> 00:11:48,250 about this Ralph Hamels Bach who just 253 00:11:56,070 --> 00:11:50,620 recently passed away I want to say it 254 00:11:58,460 --> 00:11:56,080 was 94 but they they looked into 255 00:12:04,740 --> 00:11:58,470 everything I mean they looked into 256 00:12:07,230 --> 00:12:04,750 skydiving clubs because in 1971 sport 257 00:12:08,940 --> 00:12:07,240 parachuting wasn't all that big there 258 00:12:11,579 --> 00:12:08,950 was a couple of small groups around the 259 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:11,589 country and maybe I think there was one 260 00:12:16,590 --> 00:12:14,410 or two people manufacturing parachutes 261 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:16,600 for that so there weren't a lot of 262 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:18,610 people doing it like today so they 263 00:12:24,660 --> 00:12:20,770 looked into all those groups all those 264 00:12:27,630 --> 00:12:24,670 clubs they looked into retired military 265 00:12:29,460 --> 00:12:27,640 personnel because one weird thing about 266 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:29,470 is you know the stewardesses penned his 267 00:12:36,269 --> 00:12:33,730 age as mid to late 40s and you know 268 00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:36,279 committing such a bold dangerous crime 269 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:38,800 like this is a weird thing for a man in 270 00:12:44,550 --> 00:12:42,370 his mid to late 40s to do so the FBI 271 00:12:47,340 --> 00:12:44,560 looked they say they've looked into 272 00:12:51,130 --> 00:12:47,350 thousands of people and they've looked 273 00:12:53,949 --> 00:12:51,140 into weirdly dozens of confessions 274 00:12:56,410 --> 00:12:53,959 ah dozens of confessions so these are 275 00:12:59,860 --> 00:12:56,420 probably imposters we want to get the 276 00:13:01,360 --> 00:12:59,870 notoriety of the DB cooper able but 277 00:13:04,540 --> 00:13:01,370 they're probably full of crap is that 278 00:13:08,110 --> 00:13:04,550 the idea yeah but some of them are weird 279 00:13:11,740 --> 00:13:08,120 like Duane Weber confessed only to his 280 00:13:13,269 --> 00:13:11,750 wife on his deathbed hmm that's a hell 281 00:13:15,009 --> 00:13:13,279 of a thing to say you figure your last 282 00:13:16,449 --> 00:13:15,019 words like I love you I wish had more 283 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:16,459 time we've had know he's like nah I'm 284 00:13:21,069 --> 00:13:17,649 Superman 285 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:21,079 yeah she claims that he said I'm Dan 286 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:24,230 Cooper and she didn't even know the name 287 00:13:31,530 --> 00:13:28,730 Dan Cooper so she looked it up at her 288 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:31,540 library because this was I think like 95 289 00:13:37,420 --> 00:13:34,310 so she looked it up at her library and 290 00:13:40,630 --> 00:13:37,430 realized it was DB cooper and there was 291 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:40,640 a DB cooper book at her library she 292 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:42,769 picked it up and it had her dead 293 00:13:47,500 --> 00:13:45,110 husband's writing in the margins of the 294 00:13:52,060 --> 00:13:47,510 book ah Wow 295 00:13:54,449 --> 00:13:52,070 that's better yeah it's so like 296 00:13:59,300 --> 00:13:54,459 handwriting that she thought was 297 00:14:03,710 --> 00:14:02,780 that that's that's fascinating so what 298 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:03,720 do you think about that do you think 299 00:14:08,780 --> 00:14:06,720 that guy it was actually worse he's just 300 00:14:10,069 --> 00:14:08,790 making [\h__\h] up on his death I want 301 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:10,079 to believe that people on their deathbed 302 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:13,170 are gonna say some sort of truth gonna 303 00:14:19,100 --> 00:14:15,889 say something meaningful and not just 304 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:19,110 you know [\h__\h] your loved ones right 305 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:20,970 you're just gonna [\h__\h] your pants and 306 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:22,050 croak yeah 307 00:14:27,619 --> 00:14:23,910 or croak and [\h__\h] your pants I heard 308 00:14:30,049 --> 00:14:27,629 that happens huh what do you think 309 00:14:32,540 --> 00:14:30,059 there's another guy who confessed on his 310 00:14:34,939 --> 00:14:32,550 deathbed to his brother Kenny 311 00:14:37,350 --> 00:14:34,949 Christianson tried to tell his brother 312 00:14:38,970 --> 00:14:37,360 on his deathbed 313 00:14:40,350 --> 00:14:38,980 I have something to tell you and his 314 00:14:42,900 --> 00:14:40,360 brother was like no no don't worry about 315 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:42,910 it don't worry about it's fine and then 316 00:14:48,769 --> 00:14:45,250 looks into it and you know believes his 317 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:48,779 brother's DB Cooper and then sends a 318 00:14:54,329 --> 00:14:51,810 private investigator to look into it and 319 00:14:56,970 --> 00:14:54,339 hires this kind of Robert Blevins to 320 00:14:59,460 --> 00:14:56,980 help out and now Robert Blevins is 321 00:15:00,930 --> 00:14:59,470 completely you know dedicated a large 322 00:15:04,250 --> 00:15:00,940 portion of his life to the fact that 323 00:15:07,190 --> 00:15:04,260 Kenny Christiansen is DB Cooper 324 00:15:10,370 --> 00:15:07,200 I mean unless we live in some sort of a 325 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:10,380 weird Mandela reality only one of these 326 00:15:13,940 --> 00:15:12,330 people can be telling the truth unless 327 00:15:16,610 --> 00:15:13,950 all of them are telling the truth and 328 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:16,620 they all lived the same same life and it 329 00:15:21,140 --> 00:15:18,720 all split off in some Mandela of that 330 00:15:27,170 --> 00:15:21,150 kind of scenario oh listen to Mike he's 331 00:15:28,910 --> 00:15:27,180 going crazy but but you know let's let's 332 00:15:31,790 --> 00:15:28,920 stay in reality yeah for a little bit 333 00:15:33,890 --> 00:15:31,800 I'm trying to so obviously only one of 334 00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:33,900 these people can be gonna be telling the 335 00:15:37,700 --> 00:15:36,000 truth on your latest podcast you thought 336 00:15:39,500 --> 00:15:37,710 it was possibly some you guys talked 337 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:39,510 about the possibility if being someone 338 00:15:44,690 --> 00:15:41,850 of being a railroader 339 00:15:47,450 --> 00:15:44,700 maybe someone in Pennsylvania with every 340 00:15:49,460 --> 00:15:47,460 lead that you get with every new piece 341 00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:49,470 of information you get you get super 342 00:15:53,270 --> 00:15:51,600 excited and say this is it or do you 343 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:53,280 just throw it in the box of other leads 344 00:15:59,540 --> 00:15:55,250 and go investigate it when I can 345 00:16:01,790 --> 00:15:59,550 I've only had one where I thought oh my 346 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:01,800 god I need to investigate that myself a 347 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:04,050 little bit seem serious and that's an 348 00:16:08,390 --> 00:16:06,090 episode is gonna be my next episode to 349 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:08,400 come out which is about a guy named 350 00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:12,510 Wolfgang Gossett who was a paranormal 351 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:17,040 investigator a host of a paranormal 352 00:16:25,090 --> 00:16:20,730 radio show he was in Special Forces 353 00:16:27,550 --> 00:16:25,100 himself and a survivalist 354 00:16:29,470 --> 00:16:27,560 well mr. Craig here you feel like if 355 00:16:32,530 --> 00:16:29,480 anybody could do it it would be a person 356 00:16:39,370 --> 00:16:34,510 now he's very interesting I just 357 00:16:42,820 --> 00:16:39,380 interviewed his son Gregg Gossett and I 358 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:42,830 came away from that feeling like oh my 359 00:16:47,950 --> 00:16:45,170 god this could really be DB cooper and 360 00:16:50,380 --> 00:16:47,960 weirdly Gregg was the third person I'd 361 00:16:55,090 --> 00:16:50,390 interviewed that told me his father was 362 00:16:56,740 --> 00:16:55,100 DD Cooper so at the upcoming convention 363 00:17:02,170 --> 00:16:56,750 that you're believing that this is on 364 00:17:05,930 --> 00:17:02,180 November 22nd DB cooper con how what is 365 00:17:11,110 --> 00:17:07,819 it's going to be eight hours of people 366 00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:11,120 talking about DB Cooper 367 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:13,520 and so it is just like the first time 368 00:17:16,539 --> 00:17:15,110 that that this is his first annual 369 00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:16,549 second annual like how long has been 370 00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:17,990 going on this is the second annual 371 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:20,240 version of this conference put together 372 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:22,250 by Eric Ulis who's been on the show who 373 00:17:29,890 --> 00:17:25,130 has his own suspect but there were other 374 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:29,900 versions in in 2014 there was a 375 00:17:39,159 --> 00:17:32,690 conference and then in 2011 there was a 376 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:39,169 symposium and then for like 35 years 377 00:17:44,980 --> 00:17:43,010 there was DB cooper days every every 378 00:17:48,159 --> 00:17:44,990 Friday after Thanksgiving at the areal 379 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:48,169 store and I did an episode with the 380 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:51,770 stores the son of the gal who owned that 381 00:18:00,430 --> 00:17:56,000 store and when she died the county took 382 00:18:01,899 --> 00:18:00,440 away all of the business licenses 383 00:18:05,769 --> 00:18:01,909 because there's no way that place would 384 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:05,779 ever be up to any sort of code which is 385 00:18:11,210 --> 00:18:07,610 sad so that was the end of the DB cooper 386 00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:12,710 do I cut you off I think you may have 387 00:18:17,950 --> 00:18:14,510 had a question 388 00:18:19,780 --> 00:18:17,960 I don't but III I mean I I've been 389 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:19,790 saving one but I don't think you cut me 390 00:18:25,450 --> 00:18:22,250 off but I'll you know accept your 391 00:18:27,970 --> 00:18:25,460 apology and resent you okay hence 392 00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:27,980 henceforth yeah but I did what you know 393 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:29,600 while we're talking about all this I did 394 00:18:33,250 --> 00:18:31,250 you know do some googling and all this 395 00:18:35,020 --> 00:18:33,260 other stuff so there's this movie what 396 00:18:39,220 --> 00:18:35,030 do you think about the pursuit of DB 397 00:18:42,330 --> 00:18:39,230 cooper from 1981 it's not very good 398 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:42,340 although it does have luck you know okay 399 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:46,910 the movie is I would just say weird it 400 00:18:52,510 --> 00:18:49,490 does it has a DB Cooper hijacking in the 401 00:18:56,650 --> 00:18:52,520 first few minutes and then he just goes 402 00:18:59,290 --> 00:18:56,660 like on a drunken defender across the 403 00:19:02,140 --> 00:18:59,300 United States with some gal it's for 404 00:19:05,050 --> 00:19:02,150 it's ridiculous but not the most 405 00:19:08,410 --> 00:19:05,060 ridiculous movie about DB cooper that 406 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:08,420 would be Bigfoot vs DB Cooper yes is 407 00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:11,090 really creepy that movie no it's more 408 00:19:15,490 --> 00:19:12,590 ridiculous than that it's way more 409 00:19:17,410 --> 00:19:15,500 ridiculous than the title oh man this 410 00:19:20,530 --> 00:19:17,420 sounds like this I'm like we need to 411 00:19:22,180 --> 00:19:20,540 watch this screen I specifically want to 412 00:19:24,340 --> 00:19:22,190 ask about this movie this is this taken 413 00:19:26,860 --> 00:19:24,350 from reality is there any elements of 414 00:19:30,010 --> 00:19:26,870 reality to DB cooper fighting Bigfoot in 415 00:19:32,740 --> 00:19:30,020 the woods i would i would recommend you 416 00:19:36,250 --> 00:19:32,750 guys watch it although to spoil the 417 00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:36,260 movie for you right now I would say 85% 418 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:38,240 of the movie is shirtless guys working 419 00:19:49,660 --> 00:19:47,530 out oh yeah oh yeah I'm on board dude 420 00:19:53,230 --> 00:19:49,670 we should do like a Mystery Science 421 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:53,240 Theater viewing you know maybe Darrin 422 00:20:00,040 --> 00:19:55,930 can join us for the weekend we get all 423 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:00,050 its uh I guess it's a genre of movies 424 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:03,650 that I wasn't aware of but it's called 425 00:20:11,380 --> 00:20:06,710 Bigfoot versus DB cooper and most of the 426 00:20:15,490 --> 00:20:11,390 movie is guys working out oh yeah I mean 427 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:15,500 a few a few years ago there was a movie 428 00:20:20,110 --> 00:20:18,170 called the guy who killed Bigfoot and 429 00:20:23,290 --> 00:20:20,120 then Hitler is the part of that genre of 430 00:20:25,090 --> 00:20:23,300 movies no I actually watched that movie 431 00:20:27,490 --> 00:20:25,100 and that movies pretty good I like that 432 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:27,500 movie okay I heard it was actually kind 433 00:20:31,380 --> 00:20:28,310 of good 434 00:20:34,930 --> 00:20:31,390 it's got a pretty well renowned actor oh 435 00:20:37,540 --> 00:20:34,940 yes MLE yeah absolutely 436 00:20:40,510 --> 00:20:37,550 so you're traveling where is the other 437 00:20:42,430 --> 00:20:40,520 convention located at Daren Vancouver 438 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:42,440 Washington Vancouver Washington you got 439 00:20:45,490 --> 00:20:44,450 a you got to go all the way up there how 440 00:20:47,770 --> 00:20:45,500 many days you gonna be spending out 441 00:20:49,210 --> 00:20:47,780 there I'm gonna be spending quite a few 442 00:20:52,150 --> 00:20:49,220 days out there I'm gonna do some other 443 00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:52,160 interviews there as part of the 444 00:20:57,790 --> 00:20:54,080 conference everyone's meeting at the bar 445 00:21:00,370 --> 00:20:57,800 and that's listed on on the website but 446 00:21:05,890 --> 00:21:00,380 I'll be there hanging out talking Jamie 447 00:21:07,810 --> 00:21:05,900 Cooper fantastic so you have any parting 448 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:07,820 words any final things that you'd like 449 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:11,690 to say about DB cooper and what might be 450 00:21:15,870 --> 00:21:13,410 next for you 451 00:21:17,370 --> 00:21:15,880 parting words about DB cooper i just 452 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:17,380 tell everyone to listen to the show I 453 00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:19,570 mean I've got episodes where DB Cooper 454 00:21:26,970 --> 00:21:23,440 is transgender really you got a 455 00:21:28,410 --> 00:21:26,980 transgender DB cooper episode yeah do we 456 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:28,420 need to stop and talk about that first 457 00:21:32,430 --> 00:21:30,130 yeah we can we can pause I want to talk 458 00:21:35,010 --> 00:21:32,440 yeah definitely yes yeah okay so his own 459 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:35,020 bathroom this is a really good story the 460 00:21:41,370 --> 00:21:37,030 first time I heard that I was like holy 461 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:41,380 [\h__\h] that's wild but I ended up going 462 00:21:47,910 --> 00:21:43,710 and meeting with the family that is 463 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:47,920 pushing that theory and the the 464 00:21:53,460 --> 00:21:50,710 Foreman's R on a patent Tammy they are 465 00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:53,470 the absolute nicest most normal people 466 00:22:02,250 --> 00:21:58,480 I've ever met but they Ron and Pat they 467 00:22:04,380 --> 00:22:02,260 befriended this gal at a small airport 468 00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:04,390 by where they lived and ended up buying 469 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:07,390 a plane from her and then they just at 470 00:22:11,910 --> 00:22:09,010 the airport hanging out all the time 471 00:22:13,860 --> 00:22:11,920 fixing their planes and he told me was 472 00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:13,870 like it was really weird that there 473 00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:17,950 would be a woman in her 50s fixing her 474 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:20,460 own and flying her own plane at the time 475 00:22:27,030 --> 00:22:23,530 in the 70s maybe friended her and 476 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:27,040 eventually found out that she used to be 477 00:22:31,169 --> 00:22:28,690 man 478 00:22:33,629 --> 00:22:31,179 and the wife told me at the time when 479 00:22:37,259 --> 00:22:33,639 she heard that that she didn't even know 480 00:22:39,869 --> 00:22:37,269 that was possible say to go from being a 481 00:22:42,509 --> 00:22:39,879 man to being a woman because this is mid 482 00:22:44,219 --> 00:22:42,519 to late 70s I believe when they were 483 00:22:47,519 --> 00:22:44,229 talking to her 484 00:22:49,649 --> 00:22:47,529 and was the first person in Washington 485 00:22:53,070 --> 00:22:49,659 state to have gender reassignment 486 00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:53,080 surgery are you are you saying that DB 487 00:22:59,009 --> 00:22:55,809 Cooper did this entire heist he got the 488 00:23:03,570 --> 00:22:59,019 money to do the surgery no actually it 489 00:23:06,539 --> 00:23:03,580 was before before the hijacking so born 490 00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,549 Robert Dayton he and this is all this 491 00:23:10,169 --> 00:23:08,320 person confessed to the Foreman's and 492 00:23:12,210 --> 00:23:10,179 the Foreman's have told me this you can 493 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:12,220 listen to the episode DB Cooper was 494 00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:16,570 transgender but born Robert Dayton gets 495 00:23:22,619 --> 00:23:18,460 gender reassignment surgery and I want 496 00:23:23,999 --> 00:23:22,629 to say 66 or 69 I'm sorry I don't know 497 00:23:28,469 --> 00:23:24,009 the year off top of my head right now 498 00:23:31,289 --> 00:23:28,479 but then life sort of gets hard and 499 00:23:34,229 --> 00:23:31,299 she's unhappy with the way things are 500 00:23:39,299 --> 00:23:34,239 going so she wants to prove that she's 501 00:23:41,249 --> 00:23:39,309 still a badass dude so she decides to 502 00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:41,259 pull off the DB Cooper hijacking as a 503 00:23:47,489 --> 00:23:45,700 way to get back at the FAA because she 504 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:47,499 cannot get her commercial pilot's 505 00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:49,570 license because her vision isn't good 506 00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:53,940 enough so she can only just fly private 507 00:23:59,070 --> 00:23:57,070 okay her never mercial pilot so she 508 00:24:00,810 --> 00:23:59,080 pulls she dresses back up as a man 509 00:24:03,989 --> 00:24:00,820 because she's already transitioned into 510 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:03,999 being a woman dresses back up as a man 511 00:24:08,849 --> 00:24:05,769 puts shoe polishing her hair pulls off 512 00:24:10,139 --> 00:24:08,859 the hijacking and then basically throws 513 00:24:12,810 --> 00:24:10,149 the money away because she wasn't 514 00:24:16,529 --> 00:24:12,820 interested in the money she was just 515 00:24:19,229 --> 00:24:16,539 interested in doing the crime just for 516 00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:19,239 the thrill just for the thrill and you 517 00:24:24,529 --> 00:24:21,220 know she told the Foreman's all this and 518 00:24:26,879 --> 00:24:24,539 a bunch of other super wild stories and 519 00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:26,889 when she passed away they wanted to 520 00:24:31,129 --> 00:24:29,159 write a book about it 521 00:24:33,289 --> 00:24:31,139 and they weren't even sure if they were 522 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:33,299 going to include the DB cooper portion 523 00:24:38,049 --> 00:24:36,330 but they were able to verify all these 524 00:24:41,049 --> 00:24:38,059 other wild stories like she was a 525 00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,059 prisoner of war in the philippines and 526 00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:43,440 from being a merchant marine and getting 527 00:24:47,299 --> 00:24:46,049 in trouble with the law and just all 528 00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,309 these wild stories they're able to 529 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:49,679 verify all of those so they they thought 530 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:50,970 we'd you know why would she lie to us 531 00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,289 about this man there's so many twists 532 00:25:01,310 --> 00:24:57,840 and turns the DB Hooper can go anywhere 533 00:25:03,589 --> 00:25:01,320 there is another one that that's pretty 534 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:03,599 interesting is I just had him on my show 535 00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:06,210 it goes by the name of NAT the folk 536 00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:10,080 which is a pendant I'm sorry is a pen 537 00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:13,529 name just like the guy I interviewed 538 00:25:16,940 --> 00:25:16,440 this anonymous this guy wrote a book 539 00:25:20,719 --> 00:25:16,950 about it 540 00:25:21,259 --> 00:25:20,729 the Howard hunt was DB Cooper oh that's 541 00:25:23,469 --> 00:25:21,269 great 542 00:25:25,549 --> 00:25:23,479 he Howard hunt let's go with that let's 543 00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:25,559 elaborate what would that look like 544 00:25:32,469 --> 00:25:28,950 so the timeline kind of lines up and 545 00:25:38,749 --> 00:25:32,479 everything and he's not even sure if he 546 00:25:42,379 --> 00:25:38,759 did it as the CIA instructed him to or 547 00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:42,389 it was his own idea to do it and knew 548 00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,340 that he was caught the CIA would have 549 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:46,320 his back because he was still 550 00:25:51,499 --> 00:25:49,049 accomplishing their agenda of changing 551 00:25:54,889 --> 00:25:51,509 airline security and because there was 552 00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:54,899 all those hijackings yeah I mean there's 553 00:25:59,710 --> 00:25:57,059 so many things were on ie Howard hunt he 554 00:26:01,940 --> 00:25:59,720 was he was part of the the Watergate 555 00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:01,950 Fiasco with Richard Nixon it's also 556 00:26:07,399 --> 00:26:05,190 rumored that he hired hunt on he Howard 557 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:07,409 hunts deathbed confession he alluded 558 00:26:11,719 --> 00:26:09,330 that he actually shot it was part of the 559 00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:11,729 team that shot Canada Canada yeah yeah 560 00:26:16,609 --> 00:26:13,799 and that's talked about in announced 561 00:26:18,049 --> 00:26:16,619 book also oh my god I like that one 562 00:26:20,389 --> 00:26:18,059 that's interesting so the whole 563 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:20,399 conspiracy is interesting I think all of 564 00:26:24,919 --> 00:26:23,129 them are really really fun so is just a 565 00:26:27,019 --> 00:26:24,929 little bit about your philosophy because 566 00:26:31,729 --> 00:26:27,029 I think here on the show you know Mike 567 00:26:35,690 --> 00:26:31,739 is very into cryptids and UFOs and and 568 00:26:37,579 --> 00:26:35,700 suppressed government and you know alien 569 00:26:39,049 --> 00:26:37,589 technology and all this stuff and I 570 00:26:41,509 --> 00:26:39,059 entertain a lot of this stuff because 571 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,519 it's like I don't know if it's not true 572 00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:43,200 but it's fun to think about 573 00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:45,780 is this kind of how you approach the DB 574 00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:47,880 cooper mystery and is this how you kind 575 00:26:51,290 --> 00:26:49,470 of approach the world is just to be like 576 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:51,300 I don't know but let's say you know 577 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:53,850 might as well like poke at it and in 578 00:26:57,470 --> 00:26:54,810 check 579 00:27:01,100 --> 00:26:57,480 I would say yes that is how I approach 580 00:27:04,220 --> 00:27:01,110 the world the reason I started my show 581 00:27:05,870 --> 00:27:04,230 is I was interested in DB Cooper yeah I 582 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:05,880 used to live right next to where that 583 00:27:10,570 --> 00:27:08,610 drop zone is in woodland so it was just 584 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:10,580 a local story I was interested in and 585 00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:13,530 then I you know I got a book as a gift I 586 00:27:18,530 --> 00:27:15,990 read that but then I started going on 587 00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,540 these DB cooper forums and reading more 588 00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:21,120 and just the fact that there were so 589 00:27:26,860 --> 00:27:23,880 many different theories and suspects 590 00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:26,870 that all seemed somewhat plausible I 591 00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:30,000 found fascinating and and the people 592 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:31,980 pushing these different narratives if 593 00:27:38,030 --> 00:27:34,830 you go on the forums or check anything 594 00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,040 out it's just people arguing endlessly 595 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:40,320 and calling names I mean some of these 596 00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:42,450 forms have been shut down because people 597 00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:44,580 were posting other people's like home 598 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:49,500 addresses and threats online so people 599 00:27:54,770 --> 00:27:51,510 are taking this as seriously so we get a 600 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:54,780 lot of [\h__\h] for we do missing for one 601 00:27:58,340 --> 00:27:56,610 one as Big Mike and his brother are 602 00:28:00,980 --> 00:27:58,350 super into missing for one one a lot of 603 00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:00,990 our listeners are into it but then 604 00:28:05,270 --> 00:28:02,750 there's a lot of people who get very 605 00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,280 angry because we do not take it as 606 00:28:09,740 --> 00:28:07,440 seriously as some people are taking it 607 00:28:11,810 --> 00:28:09,750 and so I imagine that there are people 608 00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:11,820 who must be in this DB cooper universe 609 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:13,500 who are just like so serious about it 610 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:15,690 but it's like if you divert anywhere 611 00:28:21,050 --> 00:28:18,690 from what their orthodoxy might be they 612 00:28:24,770 --> 00:28:21,060 must like lose their minds oh absolutely 613 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:24,780 I mean talking like small details in the 614 00:28:29,030 --> 00:28:26,730 flight path like know you're an 80 and 615 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:29,040 the plane was two miles east at that 616 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:34,650 moment in time wild I appreciate that 617 00:28:39,530 --> 00:28:36,690 that level of passion I appreciate that 618 00:28:41,690 --> 00:28:39,540 level of commitment but it also kind of 619 00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:41,700 sucks a little bit of the fun out of 620 00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:44,880 these topics at the same time yeah well 621 00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:47,580 can't all that constant bickering and 622 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:50,190 there are people were all see that each 623 00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:54,210 one of them posted in 45 comments just 624 00:28:56,910 --> 00:28:55,980 back and forth with each other in 625 00:29:04,800 --> 00:28:56,920 between one 626 00:29:08,100 --> 00:29:04,810 and 4:00 a.m. dedication is dedication 627 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:08,110 better appreciate that bad oh I've 628 00:29:12,330 --> 00:29:10,300 dipped my toe into this water you know 629 00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:12,340 when I started the show I was kind of 630 00:29:18,420 --> 00:29:14,820 like above the fray looking down on it 631 00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:18,430 but now now I'm just swimming in it with 632 00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:19,870 them I mean there's days where I've 633 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:22,990 woken up to 12 emails from one guy and 634 00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:26,730 each email is 10 paragraphs long Oh God 635 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:29,710 kill me I don't know how you deal with 636 00:29:38,220 --> 00:29:36,370 that but Oh Darren thank you so much for 637 00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:38,230 your time man please keep in contact 638 00:29:43,620 --> 00:29:42,160 with the show you've been great watch 639 00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,630 that movie with it dudes with their 640 00:29:53,220 --> 00:29:45,520 shirt off I do like a Mystery Science 641 00:29:55,410 --> 00:29:53,230 Theater on but definitely check out my 642 00:29:57,630 --> 00:29:55,420 show the Cooper vortex it's free I've 643 00:29:59,940 --> 00:29:57,640 got all these crazy wild theories on 644 00:30:02,280 --> 00:29:59,950 there you know pretty much told 645 00:30:05,130 --> 00:30:02,290 firsthand or secondhand if the person's 646 00:30:08,340 --> 00:30:05,140 passed away and then come see me at DB 647 00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:08,350 cooper gone yeah been there yet DB 648 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:11,110 cooper con go DB cooper con-com that is 649 00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:14,770 November 22nd and check out his podcasts 650 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:17,860 the Cooper vortex podcasts on iTunes I'm 651 00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:20,530 sure it's on stitcher it is very well 652 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:22,900 done if you like those that the serial 653 00:30:28,830 --> 00:30:25,810 stuff it is it is intricate it's a good 654 00:30:31,860 --> 00:30:28,840 conversation and they dig deep yeah 655 00:30:32,220 --> 00:30:31,870 absolutely all right Darren hey take 656 00:30:35,730 --> 00:30:32,230 care 657 00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,740 and definitely remain in contact with us 658 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:38,080 okay yeah absolutely if there's DB 659 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:39,850 cooper news and you guys want someone to 660 00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:41,770 talk about it I'm your man all right man 661 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:53,080 he goes let's blow him up mama pig if 662 00:30:58,270 --> 00:30:55,610 you want to join the slack or disco give 663 00:31:00,430 --> 00:30:58,280 us an email at our victim mouth at 664 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:00,440 gmail.com check out 665 00:31:09,670 --> 00:31:03,290 OPD important comb for other social